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	<title>Comments on: Mailers Council exec warns postal pay freeze attempt could backfire</title>
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		<title>By: rockie</title>
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		<dc:creator>rockie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 15:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Divide and conquer. When will we ever learn? There are valid points from both craft and management here; we all have legitimate concerns. If we don&#039;t somehow learn to work together collaboratively on these very serious issues facing the postal service, we will join other corporations in the soup lines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Divide and conquer. When will we ever learn? There are valid points from both craft and management here; we all have legitimate concerns. If we don&#8217;t somehow learn to work together collaboratively on these very serious issues facing the postal service, we will join other corporations in the soup lines.</p>
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		<title>By: customer</title>
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		<dc:creator>customer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 23:35:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry if you whining people have to listen a quick moment to a customer...the person that should benefit from all your hard work and intense managing.....but here is how I see it.  The workhorses at the Post Office are and always have been the carriers...you use craft.  When a customer does not get their mail they complain. The system is easy and self manages.  Now will someone tell me what the hell all the other people sitting at desks at stations do?......The comment about 3 managers with 40 employees at one station doesn&#039;t even include the managers of those managers....It&#039;s a never ending nighmare of over paid whining back stabbing, brown-nosing &quot;higher&quot; management and their never ceasing ability to blame someone else hoping noone ever sees the man behind the curtain who does nothing.  Your problems are systemic and I am not the only customer who sees your scam.
Leave the carriers alone for God&#039;s sake and start looking in a mirror.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry if you whining people have to listen a quick moment to a customer&#8230;the person that should benefit from all your hard work and intense managing&#8230;..but here is how I see it.  The workhorses at the Post Office are and always have been the carriers&#8230;you use craft.  When a customer does not get their mail they complain. The system is easy and self manages.  Now will someone tell me what the hell all the other people sitting at desks at stations do?&#8230;&#8230;The comment about 3 managers with 40 employees at one station doesn&#8217;t even include the managers of those managers&#8230;.It&#8217;s a never ending nighmare of over paid whining back stabbing, brown-nosing &#8220;higher&#8221; management and their never ceasing ability to blame someone else hoping noone ever sees the man behind the curtain who does nothing.  Your problems are systemic and I am not the only customer who sees your scam.<br />
Leave the carriers alone for God&#8217;s sake and start looking in a mirror.</p>
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		<title>By: SNEAKY ICEHOLE</title>
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		<dc:creator>SNEAKY ICEHOLE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 13:10:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that if the supervisors and postmasters are not happy with their job, and reading above it sure does seem like they are not happy, they sh ould come back to the craft. They make it sound like they are working much harder than us and making less money. Why do they keep doing what they are doing? Why dont they come over to the happy side of life and do our easy jobs?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that if the supervisors and postmasters are not happy with their job, and reading above it sure does seem like they are not happy, they sh ould come back to the craft. They make it sound like they are working much harder than us and making less money. Why do they keep doing what they are doing? Why dont they come over to the happy side of life and do our easy jobs?</p>
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		<title>By: Get Working</title>
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		<dc:creator>Get Working</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 21:54:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It took me over 7 years in an EAS position to get to the level of pay I received as a carrier (with overtime). I work harder now than I ever did as a carrier. Cut back on carrier pay 20%, clerk pay 30%, and mail handler pay by 40% and make them work. Most of the carriers in offices make as much as supervisors now.
The field does infinitely more today than they ever did in the past, with all the departments going to shared services.
The USPS is trying to drive more employees into retirement.
If EAS pays go down, the craft is sure to follow…</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It took me over 7 years in an EAS position to get to the level of pay I received as a carrier (with overtime). I work harder now than I ever did as a carrier. Cut back on carrier pay 20%, clerk pay 30%, and mail handler pay by 40% and make them work. Most of the carriers in offices make as much as supervisors now.<br />
The field does infinitely more today than they ever did in the past, with all the departments going to shared services.<br />
The USPS is trying to drive more employees into retirement.<br />
If EAS pays go down, the craft is sure to follow…</p>
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		<title>By: PM KS</title>
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		<dc:creator>PM KS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 16:24:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apparantely, the lions share of you work in an office where a greivance is filed against one another just for breathing wrong.  Believe it or not, there ARE level 11-18 PM&#039;s that have a cash drawer because they work the window.  They work the window becasue they LIKE their customers AND they always show professionalism to BOTH the customers AND their employees.  And they don&#039;t do it to cut the throat of their clerks.  My clerks need a day off, just like I do.  Some of us also carry mail when we are short handed and someone needs off to watch their child win at a soccer tournament.  We do this because we CARE about our employees.  I don&#039;t want to see my employees $$ cut anymore than I want my own $$ cut.  DUH.  We ALL seriously need to WAKE UP and start working together before we all have no job to **tch about.  We ALL need to fight together for 5 day delivery and other ideas that are poo-pooed by both PMG Potter and most unions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparantely, the lions share of you work in an office where a greivance is filed against one another just for breathing wrong.  Believe it or not, there ARE level 11-18 PM&#8217;s that have a cash drawer because they work the window.  They work the window becasue they LIKE their customers AND they always show professionalism to BOTH the customers AND their employees.  And they don&#8217;t do it to cut the throat of their clerks.  My clerks need a day off, just like I do.  Some of us also carry mail when we are short handed and someone needs off to watch their child win at a soccer tournament.  We do this because we CARE about our employees.  I don&#8217;t want to see my employees $$ cut anymore than I want my own $$ cut.  DUH.  We ALL seriously need to WAKE UP and start working together before we all have no job to **tch about.  We ALL need to fight together for 5 day delivery and other ideas that are poo-pooed by both PMG Potter and most unions.</p>
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		<title>By: Bull Durham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bull Durham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 11:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cry me a fricking river. Try taking an $8,000 pay cut twice in the past 10 years thanks to management participating in the raping of the craft workers. Same people whining on here are the ones who bend over items for a lower credit in mail count. Same ones stopping the stop watch during loading time. COLA doesn&#039;t mean a lot when your route&#039;s evaluation shrinks due to unethical practices. The next time I see a manager &quot;work&quot; will be the first time. You have zero productivity and you should receive pink slips...not raises.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cry me a fricking river. Try taking an $8,000 pay cut twice in the past 10 years thanks to management participating in the raping of the craft workers. Same people whining on here are the ones who bend over items for a lower credit in mail count. Same ones stopping the stop watch during loading time. COLA doesn&#8217;t mean a lot when your route&#8217;s evaluation shrinks due to unethical practices. The next time I see a manager &#8220;work&#8221; will be the first time. You have zero productivity and you should receive pink slips&#8230;not raises.</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 17:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PLEASE WORKING 72 HRS MAYBE THERE BUT NOT WORKING MUCH</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PLEASE WORKING 72 HRS MAYBE THERE BUT NOT WORKING MUCH</p>
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		<title>By: whathappen?</title>
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		<dc:creator>whathappen?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 05:41:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes pm md, that&#039;s what I would do. All except for the jig part. I hit the street day in and day out, and more often than not, after i waste time arguing with a 204b about 15 minutes of extended street time due to mail volume or missing an msp scan or some other nonsense that management has brainstormed without asking for input from the people that actually do the job. And after wasting even more time with an investigative interview, I take to the street pissed-off. But I don&#039;t and never would, show anything other than professionalism to customers that I come into contact with.
P.S. Cindy And Terry above.... I like the way you two think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes pm md, that&#8217;s what I would do. All except for the jig part. I hit the street day in and day out, and more often than not, after i waste time arguing with a 204b about 15 minutes of extended street time due to mail volume or missing an msp scan or some other nonsense that management has brainstormed without asking for input from the people that actually do the job. And after wasting even more time with an investigative interview, I take to the street pissed-off. But I don&#8217;t and never would, show anything other than professionalism to customers that I come into contact with.<br />
P.S. Cindy And Terry above&#8230;. I like the way you two think.</p>
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		<title>By: Terry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 03:40:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Budget as required-bottom up-(input at local levels as to what is necessary to meet compliance and customer satisfaction.)Delete all positions top down as necessary to ensure budget is met. (This in itself would delete many of the extra unnecessary reports) Ultimately, this ensures customer service, and the ability of the offices to be  sox compliant because the offices will have the compliment required to maintain current regulations.  However, do we need SOX?  Are we SEC regulated?  Aren&#039;t current Postal Regulations sufficient to keep everyone honest if followed as required?  Have OIG review all top management that have left the Postal System for another job(contractor) in conflict with Code of Conduct and time frames or deals made before they leave.  Ensure all Managers are held accountable for bad decisions or actions that are made which cost the USPS monetary settlement charges.  Charges to management retirements for any behavior causing these settlement charges. (to include the individual and all parties condoning the action creating those settlements.)  Firing or demotion on a case by case management issue, no moving around or protecting of individuals) Thorough review of (all) outsourcing costs concerning contracting by the OIG, with prosecution for false or slanted reports that do not reflect a true picture.  Lastly, how can an organization that has become so micro-managed suddenly be so revenue short?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Budget as required-bottom up-(input at local levels as to what is necessary to meet compliance and customer satisfaction.)Delete all positions top down as necessary to ensure budget is met. (This in itself would delete many of the extra unnecessary reports) Ultimately, this ensures customer service, and the ability of the offices to be  sox compliant because the offices will have the compliment required to maintain current regulations.  However, do we need SOX?  Are we SEC regulated?  Aren&#8217;t current Postal Regulations sufficient to keep everyone honest if followed as required?  Have OIG review all top management that have left the Postal System for another job(contractor) in conflict with Code of Conduct and time frames or deals made before they leave.  Ensure all Managers are held accountable for bad decisions or actions that are made which cost the USPS monetary settlement charges.  Charges to management retirements for any behavior causing these settlement charges. (to include the individual and all parties condoning the action creating those settlements.)  Firing or demotion on a case by case management issue, no moving around or protecting of individuals) Thorough review of (all) outsourcing costs concerning contracting by the OIG, with prosecution for false or slanted reports that do not reflect a true picture.  Lastly, how can an organization that has become so micro-managed suddenly be so revenue short?</p>
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		<title>By: Cindy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 01:47:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well,   sure, rural carriers got a pay raise, and then were cheated out of that raise by those people in management conducting counts that showed very low volume and failure to follow all the rules that had been set up.    Now these same mangers are under attack the same way they attacked rurals.  So.  now that they are the ones under attack, they don&#039;t like it.  Well, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the real world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well,   sure, rural carriers got a pay raise, and then were cheated out of that raise by those people in management conducting counts that showed very low volume and failure to follow all the rules that had been set up.    Now these same mangers are under attack the same way they attacked rurals.  So.  now that they are the ones under attack, they don&#8217;t like it.  Well, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the real world.</p>
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